INTRODUCING MONTHLY discovery dialogues


Episode 1 Recording, NOW LIVE: From Crypto Winter to Refi Spring – Steering technology toward the service of life hosted by John Fullerton, featuring special guests Jessica Groopman and Charly Kleissner

Our next Discovery Dialogue will be held on Thursday, February 23, 2023.

Join us on the last Thursday of every month at 12:30 pm EST, John Fullerton will host a Dialogue on a current and vital topic with relevance to economics and finance. We will draw on our extensive global network of global thought leaders with specific topic expertise to engage in dialogue with John. Our next Discovery Dialogue will be held on Thursday, February 23, 2023

Live Discovery Dialogue Series

Episode 1: January 26, 2023

In Episode 1 of Capital Institute’s Discovery Dialogue Series, “From Crypto Winter to Refi Spring – Steering technology toward the service of life,” John Fullerton welcomed special guests Jessica Groopman & Charly Kleissner (Recorded January 26, 2023).

Charly Kleissner

Charly Kleissner is a former Silicon Valley senior technology executive and is now an impact investor. He was the CTO at Ariba, worked for Steve Jobs at NeXT, and is associated with the Silicon Valley Blockchain Society. He believes that the real meaning of wealth is to make a positive contribution to humanity and the planet. He is a leader of the deep impact movement which is not only treating the symptoms of our failing economic system, but its root causes – with a level of awareness and consciousness that is non-anthropocentric, acknowledging that humanity is part of the evolutionary process, not outside of it. He sees impact investing not as an intellectual exercise, but as an expression of who he really is.

Jessica Groopman

Jessica Groopman has spent her career researching how emerging technologies impact humans, business, and broader ecosystems. For more than 15 years, she has advised innovation leaders around the world on digital transformation, market trends, and how to unlock new value through humane and regenerative technological design. Her current research focuses on how organizations can combine cutting edge technologies and business models to achieve net positive outcomes for a wider range of stakeholders. In her current role as Director of Digital Strategy & Innovation at Intentional Futures, Jessica works with organizations to develop long-term innovation strategies that align economic, societal, and environmental benefit.

Prior to IF, she founded and ran research firm, Kaleido Insights, and has been principal analyst with Tractica, Harbor Research, and Altimeter Group where she led research practices in artificial intelligence, IoT, blockchain, automation, robotics, mixed reality, data privacy, and more. Past clients range from large brands including Google, Microsoft, Cisco, AARP, Technicolor, Intel, Pandora, to an array of think tanks, media companies, and several start-ups she advises.

Jessica is a regular keynote speaker and panelist at emerging technology industry events. She is also a frequent contributor to numerous media outlets. She has also served as contributing member of the CalState CX Advisory Board, International IoT Council, the IEEE’s Internet of Things Group, and FC Business Intelligence’s IoT Nexus Advisory Board. Jessica was also included in Onalytica’s list of the 100 Most Influential Thought Leaders in IoT. When she’s not ideating about the future, Jessica can be found on a hike, playing drums, cooking, and spending time with her partner in the Bay Area. Learn more about Intentional Futures here, or about Jessica on her LinkedIn, connect on Twitter or at these upcoming events, and find all past research at

John Fullerton

John Fullerton is an unconventional economist, impact investor, writer, and some have said philosopher. He is the architect of Regenerative Economics, first conceived in his 2015 booklet, “Regenerative Capitalism: How Universal Patterns and Principles Will Shape the New Economy.”

After a successful 20-year career on Wall Street where he was a Managing Director of what he calls “the old JPMorgan,” John listened to a persistent inner voice and walked away in 2001 with no plan but many questions. The questions crystalized into his life’s work with the creation of the Capital Institute in 2010. John’s work is now featured in the 8 week online course: “Introduction to Regenerative Economics: New Ways of Seeing, Thinking, Being and Managing for the 21st Century” which has been experienced by over 500 people from 40 countries in its first year.

A committed impact investor, John is the co-founder and Chairman of New Day Enterprises, PBC, the co-founder of Grasslands, LLC, and a board member of Aquasafra, and the Savory Institute. He is an advisor to numerous sustainability initiatives, and is a member of the Club of Rome. John was featured in the 2021 award winning documentary, Going Circular.

About Capital Institute's Discovery Dialogues


On the last Thursday of every month at 12:30 pm EST, John Fullerton will host a Dialogue on a current and vital topic with relevance to economics and finance. We will draw on our extensive global network of global thought leaders with specific topic expertise to engage in dialogue with John.

We draw on David Bohm’s,* On Dialogue and Danny Martin’s concept of “Mindfulness Dialogue” to guide our conversations. The roots of the word “dialogue” come from the Greek words dia meaning “through” and logos which means “the divine wisdom manifest in creation” or simply “meaning”. Our Discovery Dialogues therefore do not follow the standard “interview the expert” design of many podcasts. Rather, John and one or two thought leaders will seek to illuminate wisdom through mindful engagement on the topic of the moment, first among themselves, and then including our audience. To do this, we will explore the topic using our Eight Principles of Regenerative Vitality as our compass.** Our goal will be to uncover fresh perspectives and possible pathways forward not previously considered by any of the participants, in other words, emergent understanding and actionable ideas. 


Our next Discovery Dialogue will be held on Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:30 PM EST.

Upcoming Course: Introduction to Regenerative Economics

You’re invited to join over 500 professionals, leaders, students, policymakers, and thought-leaders from over 40 countries who have already started a collective journey to reimagine our economy as a source of ecological harmony and equitable well-being throughout the world. The next cohort begins on March 13, 2023. Enrollment is Now Open.

As we enter the 21st century, we find a drastically changed context. Regenerative economics provides the principles-based, theoretical foundation for redesigning economies to meet unprecedented demands. This core vision resonates with a current and unmistakably growing need to return to a more equitable, sustainable and compassionate place. By introducing principles of living systems into our current economic, the Greek “oikinomia” – literally the management of the household – takes on an essential new meaning.

With new clarity and vision, we begin to understand how the many institutions that make up our economy – from multinational corporations to central banks to state actors – all must operate for the benefit and good of the whole, just as in life itself. From this vantage point, these institutions no longer function as isolated entities but as interdependent nodes in one interconnected system.

For over a decade, the Capital Institute has been working on a new holistic approach for reimagining economics and finance that is grounded reality, arising from the universal laws, patterns and principles that guide all living systems. The regenerative economy we foresee is a powerful one, capable of unleashing presently unseen potential and self-sustaining prosperity for all. This potential derives from remembering the intrinsic wisdom that resides in us all that can be cultivated to create regenerative enterprises, institutions, and policy frameworks that work collectively in service to a larger whole.